258 Faith, Creativity, and Business Embracing Change with Kim Pepper

SJ: Hey there and welcome to another episode of the Christian Women in Business podcast show. It’s so exciting to have you here today and what’s even more exciting is tomorrow is our last Thrive quarterly reset for our businesses for 2024. I can’t believe we’re at the end of the year already. So if you haven’t already done so and you’d like to book in registrations are still open.

They’ll close tomorrow. So come and join us. We’re going to be reviewing our year. We’re going to be learning all about HR and human resources, people and culture, and our business. We’re going to be having some God time, and then reflecting on our goals and what we’ve achieved for the year. And then exploring our 2025.

So if you haven’t done already, you Get yourself booked in for that depending on where you are in the world will depend on your time zone and what times they are, but I encourage you to have a look and for our U. S. people, I know that this might be an awkward time for you, so please let me know if your U.

1. girls are super interested in doing the Thrive online events and we will work out a second time and date. for you girls to join in the fun too. So this week we are joined by a lovely lady who the biggest mission through her business is to help women grow through their faith and creativity at the same time, which I absolutely love.

Her favorite thing to do on the weekend is thrift, craft, redecorate, hike, walk, be outside and go on a date. Ooh, That sounds fun. See? Oh, gosh. Pretty low key, but it’s fun.

Any day is a good day. So where are you joining us from in the world, Kim?

Kim: I am in Texas, in the United States, in the hill country of Texas. I know Texas is bigger than a lot of countries, but it’s huge. So I’m smack dab in the middle of Texas. New Austin and San Antonio. We live in a little bitty small town, small Texas town.

SJ: Oh, that’s so cute. I was in Texas this year, earlier this year. We were in Dallas and then I drove down to Waco because I had to go and see Pippa yeah, Magnolia. It was so fun. It was so fun. Anyone who

Kim: comes to Texas is shocked how much you can drive. You can just drive for hours and you’re still in Texas.

Still in Texas.

SJ: Can you share with us, Kim, your story of where you started and how you got to where you are today? I know that you’re creative. I know that you’re very crafty and I’d love to know how you got to where you are.

Kim: It yeah, it’s all of it is a God story and just different ways and shapes and forms and I Started a blog.

I think gosh this year will be 10 years 10 years ago, and it just started out of a place I was married and We had our own company and I, and we ended up, my husband and I ended up selling that business and everybody went off and did their thing and he had a new job and the kids were doing this.

And I just cratered and didn’t have anything to do. And I just felt God call me to do a blog. And it was funny because I don’t love to write. I’d never even really read a blog. And so I knew it was from him. And. I just started doing it. I didn’t know what I was doing, and I really just did it for fun in an outlet, like a creative outlet, sort of accountability partner, if you will, just to get all the ideas in my head out into the world.

And that just evolved over the years. I made a little bit of money doing it on the side. It was just fun. Vacation money for our family. I didn’t necessarily need to work. And then fast forward to 2020 and I ended up going through a very blindsided, unwanted divorce. And what I didn’t know is that little hobby that I thought was going to be my thing when the kids left the house, God had teed up to be my job and my salvation in that situation.

And then it’s when it went more full blown where it allowed me to stay home with my kids and provide and still do, the things that I love and that nurture me and nurture women. And it was just this beautiful preparation that I didn’t But God always had the, like he does.

He had me on the back end and I just didn’t even know that I would need that. And fast forward to now, I’ve. I’ve gotten remarried and we’ve moved the small little Texas town. We used to live up near Dallas. And God’s just walking me through. I’m a little bit in a place of change with my business, just had a little more room to breathe.

So I’m shifting gears to what I think is the next chapter and just trusting really in that space. And so that’s the long story short of how I got here. Over the last 10 years.

SJ: Can you tell us a little bit about your blog and what it’s all about? Sure, what you’ve been doing with it.

Kim: So when I started the blog it’s called salvage living and it was just about thrifting makeovers and having a beautiful home on a you know a budget and that Evolved over the last number of years when I went through divorce. I did an online store I needed to just you know So I just get in and do something different to support my family.

So I started selling home goods and clothing and things like that. When I got remarried and moved, that part of the business just didn’t feel it just did. I just didn’t feel like I was supposed to carry it with me. And so I let that part of the business go. I had some employees that obviously didn’t move with me and I would have had to change a lot of stuff.

So I just felt like God Put that part to rest. And what I’ve been moving into is still maintaining the blog and the home decor, but moving a little more into faith based products that I just feel are more what I need at this space in my life. So a lot of it, when I went through the divorce it was COVID and I had a lot of emotions going on.

The kids were, they came home for spring break and they never went back to school, and so we were homeschooling. My husband left, our dog died. It was like all of this stuff. And I just felt like I was, yeah, drinking from a fire hose. It was just like, Oh my gosh, it’s a lot. And I had a lot of feelings and I didn’t know what to do with them.

And so you couldn’t go anywhere. You couldn’t do anything. My kids were there all the time, which was, sorry, I have, they’re looking at me like, anyway, so I had all these feelings. I didn’t know what to do with them. And my kids were always there, which is not the problem, but I was trying to be strong for them.

And Take care of myself at the same time, and it was just this, it was a mess. It was a mess. Yeah, we call it the

SJ: wilderness season. Yeah, I was way wild. Because that’s what it feels like you’re in. It

Kim: was, I was out in the desert. And I started journaling, but not writing journaling, because like I said earlier, I don’t like to write.

But more of an artistic journal, and it was just a way to get my feelings on paper that My kids wouldn’t find and read because I was so angry and upset and all the different emotions that you go through. And it was just a way for me to process a lot. And so I did that off and on for the last couple of years.

And then once I moved here and got settled, In hindsight, I look back and see how helpful that was. And it just feels like it’s the next phase of my business because it served me so well that I feel it can serve other women well. It just feels at this stage in life, a little more important to me than the other part of the home and all of that stuff, I feel like I got everything stripped away from me in a sense and drilled down to what was really important and.

A lot of those things just don’t feel as important anymore. And so I have a hard time doing them and talking about them and promoting and all the home decor and stuff. It’s just not the center of what I do anymore. So I’m shifting with life, and it’s been interesting and it’s hard. It’s hard to shift your business.

People want a certain thing from you, and. You have to remember sometimes that you’re in business for yourself because you can do the things that work for you or where you feel called or where you feel led. And I have a website called Kim Pepper Creative and that is the shift.

So there’s still the blog over here and then I have this Kim Pepper Creative over here, which is leaning into this next phase. That was a really long answer to your question. No, I think it was really important. So I’m not letting go of the other one. It’s just not on the front burner, and such a shift.

SJ: I think everything that you shared, there will be so many listeners today that will be able to relate with your story so much that you haven’t overshared or babbled at all. It will resonate with people and they’ll get the season that you’re in and what you’ve been through and what you’ve gone through and then, going, actually, this isn’t serving me anymore.

My heart and soul loves it, but isn’t in it. What do we need to do now to pivot? Look at this different direction, new direction, whatever it is you might want to call it and go, okay, yeah, this is it. This is the season and this is the way we’re moving forward. And as leaders in our businesses, even if we’re solo or If we’ve got staff or whatever, we’re still leaders in our business, and it’s still our job to decide, and think, and pray.

This isn’t working anymore, what do we need to do instead? Or, this isn’t working for me anymore, I need to change direction, and what is that direction? It’s just being a natural leader, and navigating the season that you’re in. I know for me over the past couple of years a lot of life changes have happened and I’ve had to adapt and shift Christian women in business to make sure we can still serve the women the best that we can with the resource that we’ve got while I’ve been in an interesting season as well.

So I think it’s stewarding God’s mission and vision that is giving you well and making sure we are being good stewards of it, but without burning ourselves out at the same time or just doing something that really isn’t serving us in our hearts anymore as well, because the flames do die out. And if you’re listening today and you’re thinking my flame is dying out, like maybe it is time for that pivot, maybe it is time for a change, maybe we’re, We need to do some pruning, like how we covered in the mini series that we’ve just done about aligning ourselves and our businesses with God.

Some things, it might be time to prune and it might be time to allow different avenues and adventures to begin once we’ve done that pruning. So don’t be afraid of that prune, but I think it’s great that you’ve shared that Kim and really appreciate that you have shared it. It’s hard, it’s

Kim: hard to pivot but it is I think very necessary sometimes.

SJ: Yeah, especially when we’ve got really used to how we’ve done things, like even that in itself is an adjustment. Sorry I spoke over you, are you going to share something else? No,

Kim: You’re good. I’m just saying it, it can be difficult. I mean I think Especially if you’re doing some sort of online or Something that has a social media aspect, because people, we get to this point where they want a certain something from you, and they can make you feel like you need to stay where you are, and they’re not your boss, that’s

SJ: hot. Yeah, totally.

Kim: Yeah, say it how it

SJ: is. So if you could share with us then moving on to five tips of your craft. I’d love for you to share five tips that you’ve bought from you in the seasons that you’ve been in and moving forward. And I know you’ve had a think about tips that would be really helpful.

For our listeners today, I’d love to

Kim: hear them. Sure. So my tips are not, necessarily for a craft business or anything. They’re just, maybe they’re more like life lessons. I don’t know, but as they relate to business. And so I think the first one that I would say, and this is a hard one is to make time.

I’m, I think we’re all really good at making the excuse. I don’t have enough time for this. I’m too busy. We live in such a busy world. We’re hyper scheduled. We do too much. But we do have time. You have time for anything that you want to have time for. And I think there are creative ways to make good use of your time, And it’s a happy balance of being flexible, but allowing your schedule to have, unexpected things pop into it.

One of the things that’s been really helpful for me on scheduling time is doing, using a timer, like an old school, just timer, setting a time and saying, I’m allowed, two hours for this task, an hour for this task, 30 minutes for this task. And not time blocking my day where, from eight to nine, I’m going to.

Do this where it’s super rigid, but just putting timeframes on things that helps you identify how much time you spend on things. And I was looking at something, the amount of time we spend on social media just is obscene. It’s, I can’t even, I think it’s, you have time, we have time, you have time for stuff, time to work in your business, to work on your business time to do a couple other things that I talk about here.

Go back to, it’s all about time to feed yourself and to feed what’s going to feed your business and your community. So I think that’s one of my biggest things is stop making that excuse of I’m, try to like busy is a four letter word, right? It’s. It’s one of the dirtiest words out there.

We use it as a crutch of I can’t do that or I don’t have time for that. I’m busy. I’m busy. And so I think even as

SJ: a trophy, Oh, I’m too busy. Like my life’s busy. That makes me important.

Kim: Yeah. And so I think trying to catch yourself when you say that word and saying, okay, wait, am I really too busy?

Am I really, do you have, do I do have time, we, we make time for whatever it is we want to make time for. So really it’s. It’s an evaluation of priorities as well. So that’s a big one for me. That’s number one. Number two, I would say is community is essential. Seems like an obvious one, but I don’t think that we all do it.

And it’s another thing of you have to make time for it. and work it into your schedule. Especially for a lot of us that work online. It’s very lonely, you’re alone, you’re working from home, you’re by yourself. And we know from the Bible That is the prime place to be under attack. That is what Satan tries to do, is get you off by yourself.

You’re the only one, you’re the only one who feels this way. This is just you, it’s your problem. And if you don’t have somebody to share that with, then You’re going to be under attack. And if we’re Christian women in business, I think we’re even more under attack because what we do is more enticing.

The enemy is not going to chase somebody who’s not doing something good. So community can look a lot of different ways. It doesn’t mean being in a group and being a wallflower, and just watching, but maybe you have just one business bestie that you communicate with regularly.

Like for me I have I happen to have a friend that I’ve been friends with for years and just in life and she has an online business as well. And we talk every Monday morning, every morning at eight o’clock. It’s how we start our week. And sometimes we have nothing to report. And other times it’s just, we talk about this is what I’m going to do this week.

What’s working for you, but it’s also that it’s accountability and it’s me being able to vent to somebody who gets it, who understands what I do. Cause. Most people don’t understand what we do online. And you’re like, how do you make money? What do you do? I don’t, what? So trying to have that conversation with somebody who doesn’t get it is hard.

And you have to have somebody who’s in the same boat as you. And and it might be a group, like a mastermind or a retreat. And I think those things are essential to realize that you are not alone. Other people have the same problems. Sometimes the solutions are really simple. And just having that, that something to lean on is important.

That’s what I think is a crucial part of you being successful in whatever you do. That’s not just business. That’s life, yeah,

SJ: totally.

Kim: My next one is to combine. What you do. This is the thing that I think I learned the most with the whole journaling that I started back in COVID is I feel like a lot of us live in silos.

We have work. We have church. We have school. We have kids. We have our husbands or relationships. And then, we have our whatever we like hobbies on the weekends and they’re all in these silos. And there’s too often that we don’t mix those silos together. The but are called buckets, whatever you want to.

And so you don’t have time for all of those buckets. It’s just, if you have a lot of buckets, it’s just too many buckets, not enough time. But what happens is when you invite one into the other, it’s a beautiful way to multitask, but it’s also allowing all of you to authentically be In all the places at the same time.

So for me, I realized that once I started to invite God into everything, including my creativity, it was this crossroads that was a beautiful explosion, if you will. And it just let it take off in a way that was different for me. It makes me feel like when I’m sitting down to create something or do a journal, I’m not just doing.

Art or Kim, I’m doing something relational with Christ and it feels more purposeful and it feels Like that mom guilt or that business guilt like I should be doing something else fades away a little bit because I’m feeding my soul, which feeds everybody else, or I’m growing some lesson that I’m going to be able to share with my kids or the women that I serve or, different people.

It’s a feeding of sorts. And so I just think that goes. You got to mix those buckets. It really should just be a big puddle, a big pool. And I just don’t think we do that enough. I think we live I have to do this here and that there, and they don’t cross over. Does that make sense?

Yeah. And I always say that God is a very polite person, if you will. And he likes to be invited. He doesn’t just go places. He doesn’t force himself. But he sits and he waits and he is happy to be invited into whatever it is you are doing at all anything at all He wants to be invited in and so I just don’t think we extend the invitation very much into all of the things You know, I mean you can go thrifting for the weekend and invite God in and you can talk to him while you thrift and you can witness to your girlfriend that’s walking with you, or you can have really great talks, or you can pray over, your treasure hunt.

Whatever you want to do, I just think you have to mix it all.

SJ: Totally. And for those who are listening in the UK, thrift shops, A thrift shopping is charity shop shopping, and for my Aussie girls, thrifting is op shop shopping.

Kim: Op shop shopping, I haven’t heard that one. And then also like garage sales or flea markets or what else do you call them?

I don’t know. Like church sales, rummage sales, all that kind of stuff. Ugh, I live for that. Yeah.

SJ: Antique shops, yeah. Vintage stores. Totally. Exactly. Yes. All of that. That’s my favourite. I just thought I’d mention it in case people are going, what’s thrifting? Is that like stealing?

I know, they’re oh, that’s not what I’m talking about. No,

Kim: that’s not what we’re talking about. It’s so funny to think how it’s called different things in different places. Didn’t even cross my mind. Feels like it’s universal. It is, it just has a different name. It

SJ: does, totally. And we all love it.

Kim: Yeah, it’s so much fun. It’s so much fun. Once you start, you can’t stop. It’s addicting, just so you know. It is. Anyway okay, number four. is to never stop learning. I just think we’re always supposed to be curious and that goes in a lot of directions as well. If you are an artist, you need to keep taking art classes.

If you’re a writer, you need to take writing classes. If you are if you’re a Christian, you need to keep taking Bible studies or read books. I think that there’s different seasons for different things. I’ve had God call me out of Bible study and we spent a year together, and it was beautiful because I remember being in a Bible study and thinking, Oh, this is so fabulous.

I’ll never stop doing this Bible study, this group. And I remember really clearly, Him being like, no, we’re going to, we’re going to sit out. And I was like if I’m going to do that, and he was like, yeah, we’re going to sit out. And it was one of the biggest growth years I had because it was time for me to just dig into my Bible, just me and God.

And so there are different times for the way that you learn, but. It’s still always having this curiosity and this hunger for God’s word hunger to

learn something new and The one thing I will say about that is I feel like this day and age everybody’s bombarding you with information and it can get to be where it’s overwhelming or Too much and then you can’t you don’t do anything you get paralyzed with information overload And so I think one of my answers to that a little bit goes to community these kind of all intertwined but I think being part of a group that is Hyper focused on whatever it is.

You do is a good way to put the peripherals on that so that you’re not You know, if you’re let me think of something, if you crochet, I don’t know, I don’t crochet if you’re, that’s what you do, you need to be, maybe in a crochet group because if you’re just scrolling Pinterest all the time, you’re like, Oh, I could do this.

I could do that. I could do this. It, it’s so broad and you, if you can narrow it down and surround yourself with like minded people and like minded things, it helps, that information overload, steal your time and your energy to where you get to a point of paralysis and don’t do anything.

And then taking what you learn and putting it into action. There’s a given a take there. So don’t always just learn, but actually do is really part of that as well. Ever think you’re done learning. And that sort of sounds exhausting sometimes. But it’s not, it can be really good and a lot of fun.

Honestly I think it’s fun, don’t grow stagnant. Don’t let your feet get stuck in the concrete, and the last one that I’ll say is that, and it’s really hard, but it’s just be okay to fail and to be bad at what you do. I think it’s about trusting the process. And anything that’s worth doing is not always going to be easy.

And sometimes when things fail is when God will really turn up his volume and show up and we don’t give room for that a lot. I know I don’t look at, I look at failures so personally. And I beat myself up over them, but the truth is that’s where God comes in and does.

Beautiful things, I feel like my story is a prime example of what I didn’t see coming. God already had laid the groundwork, but you ha and I just, I was taken to the floor, I had to be completely stripped and taken to the floor and blindsided and then to build back up, but, and that was a different direction.

And I still get mad sometimes that, things don’t look the way that I think they should, or they were gonna, and. I have to remind myself that God knows infinitely better than I do. He can see the big picture and it’s okay. If he wanted me to be on a different path, I’d be on a different path.

If he wanted me to have something different, I would have it. He is that powerful and that good. And it’s really about just trusting Not just the process, but really trusting him on showing up and showing off, making sure you trust the process, which failure is part of a lot of processes. I figure it doesn’t always work.

And it’s. Okay. I just, I know, I just, I know so many people, the women that kind of are in the group that I am with online, a lot of them are scared to even start something because it may not come out the way they want it to. And I feel that, I get that. It just feels like, why would I even try if I know it’s not going to work out.

But once again, this goes back to never stop learning. It’s always a learning process. And if you can, little nuggets and move on to the next thing and do it better or different and just trust that, okay, maybe that wasn’t the right thing for me or maybe it needs to look different. I think that’s okay.

So those are my tips.

SJ: Yeah, totally. I love that. So just a quick re tap? Recap. We’ve got, number one, make sure you make time. So that’s allowing yourself not to have a full schedule. Allowing yourself If you do schedule to have some white space in it for the unexpected and really understanding, I guess what you’re saying yes to, and is that a priority?

And is there some things in your schedule that you’re doing, but are not necessarily a priority right now that you can let go so that you’re keeping the right things in your life for the season that you’re in now. for the things that are important. Number two is community is essential and we are all about community here at Christian Women in Business.

So making time for your tribe and realizing that you don’t have to feel alone and being on your own, like Kim said, can be isolating and that is when the silly thoughts tend to creep in where when you’ve got your girlfriends around you and the women around you that believe in you, they’re going to They’re going to call a spade and tell you when that’s not an okay thought and pull you out of your funk.

And that goes for every aspect in your life, not necessarily just business. Number three combine what you do. And we touched on this again in the mini series that we’ve just done about God and business and bringing it together. And that’s how can you combine different things so you’re not feeling One so stretched on an earthly level, but then in a heavenly level, how are we including God in absolutely everything that we do?

Our faith doesn’t just activate on Sunday when we step into church and then deactivate when we leave church. It’s with us throughout the whole week. So how do we intertwine all that and remembering that if we are stuck with a problem, we can always come to the Father and ask for help no matter what it is, business, Faith, relationship. Number four, never stop learning.

So be curious in everything that you do. Obviously, there’s a season for everything and depending on your season depends on what you’re going to be learning. But no matter what it is put what you are learning into action the best that you can. And then number five, be okay to fail and to be bad at something.

Learned to trust the process and trust the journey because that’s when God’s really gonna shine. And And help you shine too in the long run, even though we don’t necessarily feel it when we’re in horrible feeling of failure it’s all learning. So you’ve shared with it a little bit, but shared with us a little bit.

How do you incorporate God into your business?

Kim: Business customer facing side is very faith based. So that is. I pray with my group. It’s a lot of what we do is faith based. So that’s just very direct. And if you, I can elaborate on that if you want, but if you look at the other side of it, yeah, the back

SJ: end

Kim: side, I think more than anything is a prayer.

And a Holy Spirit and a trusting. And it’s in that, it’s a little bit what we talked about of, I feel it in my gut, which I believe your gut is the Holy Spirit. It’s time to pivot. This doesn’t write. And a lot of times what I’ll do is just say, okay, God, I don’t know what to do. What do I do next?

What’s my next step. And I feel like I watched him walk this out so much after my divorce in business. I was, deer in the headlights what am I going to do? What does this look like? And I was like, I just don’t know. I don’t know. God, I don’t know what to do. Tell me what to do. And I would just get these feelings that would bubble up.

That’s the best way I can explain it. And it would just be maybe sometimes over a series of days or weeks that the same thing would just bubble up. It would just bubble up. And I would say, okay, that’s it. That’s my next step. What does that look like? And I would move on it. And he was right every single time when I would do that.

And it was just letting him lead into what the next step was for my business. What do I add? What do I take away? Which way do I go? And a lot of times it’s counterintuitive to what the world would tell you, it’s a little bit what I touched on. I have a customer base that wants something from me.

They’re ready to buy, but I’m not ready to sell anymore. And, That is counterintuitive to what, maybe most business coaches or people who don’t walk in faith would counsel me or say why don’t you just do that? There, I can’t explain it. It’s just not. It’s not where I’m supposed to be.

And you have to just trust that. And I think that is the hardest balance of trusting what you feel the Lord is leading you to do and what the world is telling you to do. And that’s, life in general, but from a business standpoint, that your choices and direction may not be textbook, what people think.

You should do and what they may be encouraging you to do. And yeah, honestly, right now I’ve have pivoted and it’s been this year that I’ve done the strong pivot and every few days have customers saying, are you going to do this anymore? Are you still doing this? And I can hear it.

Like I’m leaving you if you don’t do this and it is painful for me because I want to make everybody happy. And I don’t want to let them down, and it is painful for me to be like. No, I’m not doing that anymore, and I’m struggling with it. I’m not going to lie. It’s hard. It’s hard to keep saying no, but I know that’s not what I’m supposed to do.

And so that’s the biggest way that, on the backend, I have this battle going and I have to let God win it. And I have to let him lead.

And that’s how he shows up on the backside. And then you get to tell the stories after, hindsight is 2020. And then I get to go, he walked me through this. And that’s so fun. That’s so beautiful to do. And I have the privilege of having, if anybody is listening, that’s innocent.

Season that I was in, in 2020, where my world just crumbled. It was awful. And I want to go back to that girl and tell her it’s going to be okay. And I knew the whole time it would be, I just didn’t, I couldn’t see it and I couldn’t,

or how I didn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel, but it’s there and one day you just look up and it’s shining, and I just, I hope if anybody hears that it’s in that place, that they just keep your head down, just keep doing the work, keep staying, head above water as best you can.

And eventually I promise you, you’ll look up and it’ll just, it’ll be a new day and it’ll be a bright day and

it’s really beautiful. Yeah. That’s so good. It’s really beautiful. Yeah.

SJ: That’s so good. Thank you so much for sharing that. I know so many people will be able to relate. And I know that they would appreciate you saying those words. So thank you. And being so authentic with it too. It’s really nice.

Kim: I don’t know how it’s to be.

SJ: It’s hard work when you’re not so then that’s led us into the next question really beautifully. What’s been your Bible verse for this season and why?

Kim: So my season’s been long and my Bible verse has been the same and it’s been It’s Psalm 4610, be still, know that I’m God, I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted among the earth.

And I know it’s a popular one, but it started in 2020 and all I could hear God was tell me, be still. And it was a lot of things that I wanted to manipulate situations. I wanted to find things out. I wanted to know how the story ended. I just wanted all this information and God kept telling me, be still.

Be still, I’ll do this. I’ll take care of this. And what I found was that over the series of that year, he would just drop little nuggets in my lap little pieces of information that I needed or little pieces of peace just right when I need him, someone would reach out or I’d find something out or the next step would be obvious and it was beautiful and relaxing. And I didn’t have to do all those things that I wanted to do that were like this me in this panic mode of, I’ve got to do this. I’ve got to do this. It was just like, okay, you just sit back and I’m going to do this. And I know it’s about God doing the work and him getting the glory.

And when we work too hard in ourselves, Or we do all that busyness and we try and we try and maybe something does good does happen. It’s so easy to take the credit for it and not give it where it’s due. And so when you’re in this state of stillness, it’s a really fine line of trusting and watching God walk things out, but still doing whatever you know, part you need to be doing.

’cause we don’t. Like in business, you don’t just sit and have money dumped in your lap. You have to get up and do work, but there’s a fine line of overreaching, and we call it sitting in the grace. I love it. So I literally, I got these still tattooed on me in 20, 21, 20, when did I don’t think because washed over me.

Just be still. I will be exalted. I’m going to walk you. I’m the one, I’m the one who’s going to do this, but you gotta give me room and you gotta let me. And I did. And I just sat back and it was one of the most beautiful times in my entire life. And I need to remember it all the time.

Because I am a type, I have that personality. I want to get in there and I want to make things happen. And I want it to happen now. I’m not patient. And I have to just take a deep breath and say, I trust you. I trust you. I trust you. I will be still. I will watch. I will wait. And you brought me this far and you’re not going to just drop me now.

It’s not going to happen. So that is the verse that has carried me for the last number of years.

SJ: So good. I love it. That’s awesome. Thank you so much for sharing. So if our listeners wanted to find you and want to connect with you, where’s the best place to find you? You mentioned your website before, but let’s give it another spruce if they wanted to get

Kim: involved.

So pretty basic and easy. And then I’m Kim Pepper creative on social. So on Facebook and Instagram, it’s Kim Pepper creative. And those are the main places. And if you show up in any one of those, there’s links everywhere else, if you were remotely interested in digging around, but yeah, so the Kim Pepper creative is where I have a series of courses that are creative courses.

That have that whole faith and creativity intertwined just to walk you through and model that out with different projects. We have a community called paper and a prayer, and it’s exactly what it sounds like. We do paper projects, journaling, crafting, and that’s the core community that I have in my little world of just women who.

Or all walks of life, different places and stages of their faith journey. And we pray together every week we pray for each other. It’s just, it’s my favorite place. It’s a sweet spot. Of just women who, who just want to do better and want to be creative and love their homes and love themselves and love the Lord and all of that stuff.

But it’s not business. It’s just, it’s creatives. I love it.

SJ: If you’re a creative listening, we’ve got all different women from all different parts of the world and all different journeys. So if you’re a creative

Kim: anywhere and still participate, it’s such a great, it’s one good thing about social media and the internet.

It’s not all good, but that’s good. I appreciate

SJ: that. Yeah, that’s awesome. All right. If you want to connect with Kim and of course we’ll put the links in the show notes of the podcast as well. So please reach out if you’re creative and just need that faith and creative place where you can just do your creative stuff and sit in the prayer with Kim and her community.

Go and reach out. We love supporting the Christian women who are out there doing amazing things like Kim. And I know that Kim’s story would have touched a lot of people’s hearts who are listening today. Know that we’re praying for you, even though, you don’t, necessarily know you individually.

You are being prayed for. You are not alone. We’re here for you. And yeah, please feel free to reach out. It’s been such a pleasure to have you on the show today. Kim, is there anything else you want to share with the audience before we go?

Kim: I’m happy to be here and hope that anything I said remotely just helps.

One little nugget. I think sometimes that’s all we need is one little, one little nugget to get us through today. So I hope I gave that to somebody. That

SJ: little bit of encouragement. I’m sure you did. I’m sure you did. All right. You’re listening to the Christian Women in Business podcast and we’ll catch you next time.